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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the assay

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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it's a worldwide phenomenon

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hi this is ryan bledsoe and you are

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listening to that ufo podcast

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i'll unmute myself hi everyone and

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welcome back to that ufo podcast my name

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is andy

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and just before we get into the show

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this week i just want to remind everyone

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you can now get

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premium access to the podcast not only

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on patreon

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which has been the only way to support

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so all that extra content ad free early

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there's available as a two-week free

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there's an ama with myself and dan and

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5-10 minutes of interview on there just

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folks so again i appreciate it if you

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can check that out if you are on

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apple i have with me james ian dolly

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james have i said that right uh for the

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oh no ayan dolly iron dolly how'd you

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there you go yes ah james so james sent

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and you'll know james as either james or

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uh the youtube channel the podcast and i

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asked him about pronouncing his name

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properly and he

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into but listen james thank you very

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much for joining us i mean we're just

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saying before recording it's uh probably

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well past you and we're looking forward

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started your podcast that's awesome man

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videos and there's a lot of cool ones up

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horrendous for saying yes and then

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but james gets i've got kids and you're

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life gets in the way but i am going to

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away from it man i'm just like driving

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really fast and like trying to escape it

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that i work so i wake up in the

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afternoon

283
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and one of my family members um comes

284
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home and comes up to me and say hey

285
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hey did you hear about the ufo sightings

286
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in mexico

287
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so i'm like okay screw this because at

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this point it's like there's too many

289
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coincidences going on

290
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and i'm like you know the hell with this

291
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i'm gonna go

292
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out and um there's this chinese food

293
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down the street a chinese food place

294
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down the street from me that i went to

295
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a lot so i'm like whatever i'm just

296
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gonna go there get some chinese food and

297
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start my day and whatever so i get into

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my car

299
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and i'm driving maybe you know

300
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200 or 250 feet and i just see this

301
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fireball in the sky

302
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and um it's stationary

303
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and i'm you know as soon as i think

304
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that's you know that's an f in ufo it

305
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starts to move

306
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and i'm like holy sh you know

307
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basically i'm like what the frick is

308
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going on and you know i said before that

309
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you know the sighting itself so and i

310
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tried to chase it

311
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it ended up going out of sight and i

312
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couldn't see it anymore and i you know

313
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went all the way this way and

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and it was just out of sight um but it

315
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hit me like a ton of bricks at

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that point again because uh you know the

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sighting in itself was

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remarkable you know you have this

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fireball you can tell it was low from

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the size

321
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how big it was uh it was much bigger

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than like a planet or star anything like

323
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that

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way bigger than like the international

325
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space station um

326
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so it had to have been low either that

327
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or ginormous but i tend to think it was

328
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just lower in the atmosphere

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you know maybe 5 000 feet 10 000 feet in

330
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the air

331
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and um i just

332
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uh was in like shock almost that

333
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all these things that had occurred that

334
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led up to that point

335
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were were just as crazy as deciding if

336
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not more crazy

337
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um so that

338
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that really made me

339
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take a deep dive into the ufo uh subject

340
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even more like

341
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out you know i was already into it but

342
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after that i'm

343
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uh start you know reading more books and

344
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stuff like that and

345
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um so you know and actually

346
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at that time i'm already practicing

347
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meditation

348
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so um but anyway so going past that just

349
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that kind of started this this whole

350
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string of events that happened

351
00:12:50,550 --> 00:12:49,519
now uh probably i want to say maybe

352
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three months later

353
00:12:54,870 --> 00:12:52,880
i have to look at the actual months that

354
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uh where it took place but it was about

355
00:12:58,710 --> 00:12:57,600
i want to say two three months later i

356
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had i was in this

357
00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:02,079
um this car accident and i had

358
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so at the time i thought it was a

359
00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:05,600
near-death experience obviously

360
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you know i wasn't that as you know badly

361
00:13:13,829 --> 00:13:10,720
messed up as i thought i was so i

362
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now i call it a trauma induced obe

363
00:13:17,030 --> 00:13:15,519
so a trauma-induced out-of-body

364
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experience where

365
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you know i was above the entire uh scene

366
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of the crash and

367
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and and when that happened i kinda i i

368
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thought i was dead

369
00:13:29,110 --> 00:13:27,120
you know from from my awareness like i

370
00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:29,120
had the awareness to think oh so that's

371
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it huh

372
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and i saw the uh the car accident all

373
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this

374
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and um you know during that whole thing

375
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i

376
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just uh that that part ended

377
00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:00,959
and um i you know i end up waking up in

378
00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:04,720
in a hospital bed and all that but

379
00:14:09,269 --> 00:14:07,360
the almost more significant part of that

380
00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:09,279
was the the next day the following day i

381
00:14:14,629 --> 00:14:10,880
get home

382
00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:14,639
and i'm uh just in my room cleaning my

383
00:14:17,670 --> 00:14:15,440
room

384
00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:17,680
i you know gr you know grateful to be

385
00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:19,920
alive and i'm like you know

386
00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:21,360
even though that was a very

387
00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:23,360
transformative experience because

388
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:25,120
again when when that whole thing

389
00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:27,680
happened there was like no regrets

390
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:30,079
i was like totally cool at that point

391
00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:32,160
with with

392
00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:35,040
the idea that i was basically dead i

393
00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:36,560
guess you can say right

394
00:14:43,509 --> 00:14:40,160
um so uh it was very transformative

395
00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:43,519
in that it shows you something

396
00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:46,480
way deeper about reality is is the only

397
00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:47,920
way i can explain it

398
00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:51,040
and um so it's the next day i'm in my

399
00:14:55,030 --> 00:14:52,880
room i'm cleaning grateful to be alive

400
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:55,040
and even to have had the experience

401
00:15:02,310 --> 00:14:58,399
i'm still kind of um

402
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:02,320
you know not completely centered yet to

403
00:15:04,629 --> 00:15:04,000
where i was before this happened i'm

404
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:04,639
still kind of

405
00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:06,320
affected by it i guess still in the

406
00:15:11,829 --> 00:15:08,000
aftermath

407
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:11,839
and then out of nowhere i have this uh

408
00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:13,199
this voice

409
00:15:18,550 --> 00:15:16,399
come into my entire body i can

410
00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:18,560
feel the whole you know i can feel it

411
00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:19,440
throughout my body

412
00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:23,120
and in my mind and it said come outside

413
00:15:29,749 --> 00:15:26,480
um but as soon as i i heard

414
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:29,759
you know that voice um

415
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:32,160
i i instantly knew everything that was

416
00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:33,360
that was happening

417
00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:34,800
i knew that i was going to go outside

418
00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:36,240
and there's going to be some craft there

419
00:15:39,790 --> 00:15:36,720
and

420
00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:39,800
i can't explain how but i i you know

421
00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:41,199
instantaneously

422
00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:42,480
you know people would call this like a

423
00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:44,720
telepathic lock-on

424
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:46,320
knew what was going to take place to

425
00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:48,240
some extent so

426
00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:52,320
i ran outside and

427
00:15:55,350 --> 00:15:54,160
i you know i moved past where the trees

428
00:15:58,150 --> 00:15:55,360
were

429
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:58,160
and i can hear humming so i look

430
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:00,240
directly above me

431
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:03,440
and uh there's just this uh

432
00:16:07,189 --> 00:16:05,199
craft and it's almost like a hexagon

433
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:07,199
like it has six sides

434
00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:09,519
and but the sides the edges are rounded

435
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:10,399
they're not um

436
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,440
like flat sharp and it's a dark

437
00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:15,839
metal so it's it's like not an orb or

438
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:17,839
something this is like a physical

439
00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:20,399
uh craft almost like a disc but again

440
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:22,160
like a hexagon

441
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,880
and it's humming and i just have this

442
00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:26,480
entire

443
00:16:32,790 --> 00:16:29,600
you know elated feeling i i

444
00:16:35,110 --> 00:16:32,800
i'm overwhelmed with joy and

445
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:35,120
um because that's the feeling that i got

446
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:37,040
from this connection i could call it

447
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:37,360
with

448
00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:43,519
i'm you know i'm freaking out but it's

449
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:44,720
still moving it's like just

450
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,600
moving slowly and silently and it can't

451
00:16:53,269 --> 00:16:49,360
be more than 80 feet above

452
00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:53,279
above me and it's still humming and then

453
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:56,959
it disappears and then reappears

454
00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:59,279
across the street over this lake where i

455
00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:00,639
lived

456
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:03,120
and um and you know it has all these

457
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:04,000
lights going around

458
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:07,360
it uh you know like blue white green red

459
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:07,839
yellow

460
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:10,480
just swirling around it and then other

461
00:17:14,069 --> 00:17:11,679
ones appeared

462
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:14,079
uh you know there was that one and then

463
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,760
two other ones appeared

464
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:17,679
and there was a whole event that took

465
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:19,039
place where they there's they're

466
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:21,120
appearing and disappearing

467
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:23,919
and and um you know moving around the

468
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:26,400
sky slowly for almost a half an hour

469
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,640
and but you know before that had passed

470
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:30,720
i ran into my house

471
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:33,840
and uh two of my family members were

472
00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:34,480
there and i said

473
00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:36,640
come outside they're like why i said

474
00:17:39,110 --> 00:17:37,760
they're here they said and they're

475
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:39,120
saying who's here i said just come

476
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:40,160
outside

477
00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:44,559
and they were able to witness it

478
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:46,240
and uh you know i have to imagine they

479
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:49,039
were just as uh amazed as me

480
00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:51,520
and you know after actually that half

481
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:53,440
hour so the way that this whole kind of

482
00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:54,000
sighting

483
00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:57,280
ended was that two of them

484
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:59,520
were were flying towards each other like

485
00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:00,320
this

486
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:01,760
and the you know the lights are spinning

487
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:03,120
around while they're heading towards

488
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:04,080
each other

489
00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:05,760
and as soon as they're about to crash

490
00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:06,960
you know and i'm thinking i had a holy

491
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:08,320
they're going to crash

492
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,559
as soon as they like make contact they

493
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:12,080
just both disappeared

494
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:15,360
and that ended that and um

495
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,039
like when when this happened i'm like

496
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:18,960
dude this is gonna this is it this is

497
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:21,360
gonna be all over the news and it's

498
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:23,360
gonna be disclosure tomorrow like i

499
00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:24,160
remember

500
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:26,640
like this is insane and you know i when

501
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:27,360
i i

502
00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:28,640
you know i called some friends and told

503
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:30,400
them what happened or whatever but i'm

504
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:32,480
like looking on the news and stuff and

505
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:34,960
nothing you know it was just like

506
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:35,679
nothing and

507
00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:37,520
and you know there was never i didn't

508
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:40,480
see any ufo reports cited on that day or

509
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:42,080
whatever but it was just you know

510
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:44,640
again i i i thought it was disclosure

511
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:46,480
was happening but uh apparently it

512
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:47,919
didn't

513
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,799
um so that that whole string of events

514
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:52,960
occurred within it within a few months

515
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:56,000
and that's actually what led me to

516
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,200
ce5 because um so

517
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:01,120
uh thanks for sharing that that's pretty

518
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,559
intense okay and

519
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:04,240
just a bit of a recap that you've said

520
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:05,520
there you had those childhood

521
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:06,559
experiences

522
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:09,360
and very personal you then and if you

523
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:10,559
follow down the line you see this

524
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,480
fireball in the sky that's preceded by

525
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:14,240
you know being asked about ufo sightings

526
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:15,600
and then someone else asks you in the

527
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:18,000
family about ufo sightings you then see

528
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:20,240
this fireball that you're in the car and

529
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:21,120
then you're in this

530
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:23,760
accident like you say it wasn't as bad

531
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,480
an accident

532
00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:26,240
that you had a near-death experience but

533
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:27,520
it was trauma and just

534
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:30,320
out of body which then leads you to for

535
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,760
the following day to have this really

536
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:33,520
intense experience and

537
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:35,840
and closer kind of contact experience as

538
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:36,640
well that's

539
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:39,760
that's incredible do you think

540
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:42,480
all of this stuff happened to you were

541
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:43,520
you

542
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:47,360
to these sorts of experiences

543
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:49,280
or do you think they've happened for a

544
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:51,120
reason

545
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:54,240
i mean you know in my own ego idea

546
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:58,000
right my own i reality i i tend to think

547
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,000
there's a reason for it right

548
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,320
uh but i i'm just as open to the idea

549
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:04,159
that it's just a roll of the dice right

550
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,559
place

551
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:07,200
right time and you know part of me being

552
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:09,039
on this quest is i hope i find out

553
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,320
you know because i don't have all the

554
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:12,320
answers i wish i had the answers to that

555
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:12,960
and

556
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,679
those questions actually very early on

557
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:17,679
like is there a reason for this was

558
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:21,120
that i had these experiences drove me um

559
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,720
you know that that was part of the

560
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,799
initial drive for me

561
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,640
you know pursuing this you know engaging

562
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:28,000
the phenomenon right

563
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,280
because i had these encounters and um

564
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:33,440
i wanted to engage the phenomenon and

565
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,240
not kind of just be a bystander

566
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,400
now that's as good a reason as any to to

567
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:40,640
want to try and get in touch or contact

568
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,960
whatever entities or beings may be at

569
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:44,640
play within all of this is

570
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,520
very personal to you as well now that's

571
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:49,120
what i'm going to start talking about

572
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:53,840
ce5 okay did you come into this

573
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,799
looking for ce5 or was it known by

574
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,640
something else now ce5 as

575
00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:01,039
as some people may know as a little bit

576
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,159
more of a franchise

577
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:05,200
these days for some um but if

578
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,200
you want to just talk a little bit about

579
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,120
what it was known as when you came into

580
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:12,000
and explain what ce5 or human initiated

581
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,159
contact is

582
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:16,400
okay sure um i just want to give a

583
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:19,280
little uh backstory on that just to say

584
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:22,799
um i found so after those experiences i

585
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,520
i just went into like a deep deep dive i

586
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,360
found the disclosure project

587
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,600
i found uh dr greer's work because of

588
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:31,520
the disclosure project

589
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:33,039
uh you know i was amazed something like

590
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,559
that happened with all these high-level

591
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:35,679
witnesses

592
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,559
in washington dc 2001 and i'm thinking

593
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:40,640
like how did i not hear this happen

594
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,679
so you know in the midst of that i i was

595
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:45,360
like who is this guy who set this up you

596
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,080
know

597
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,640
this random guy had never heard of and

598
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,200
that's uh dr steven greer

599
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,280
so i started to look into him you know

600
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,799
like who's steven grier you know

601
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,400
i don't know if it was google at that

602
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,799
time or or you know which search engine

603
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:00,000
it was but i

604
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:04,000
ended up finding um his work on ce5

605
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:07,360
so at that at that point c5 was known

606
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:10,480
ce5 actually was um

607
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:13,760
known starting in like 1992.

608
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,600
so i got heavily involved into the ce5

609
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,000
work because um you know after having

610
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,080
those experiences

611
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:24,080
i never really thought oh let me let me

612
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:25,280
try to to

613
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:28,559
um reach out to the this uh

614
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:31,600
intelligence um so when i found ce5 i'm

615
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,080
like that

616
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:34,080
why didn't i why didn't i even think of

617
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,280
that you know what i mean it's

618
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,880
this is still early on right after i

619
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:38,320
found the um

620
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,840
right after i had the experiences i

621
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,840
found this work so that's why i got

622
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,120
involved

623
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:45,200
um with the ce5 work and i actually

624
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:48,400
created the first social networks of ce5

625
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:52,400
um back in around maybe 2009.

626
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,520
so ce5 uh was created by

627
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,840
dr greer the terminology and the

628
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:58,960
protocols

629
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:02,799
but um what we call ce5

630
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,000
is you know it's human initiated contact

631
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,039
um that that whole idea

632
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,679
goes back hundreds of years if not

633
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,200
thousands of years

634
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,080
um so again ce5 is a human-initiated

635
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:17,440
contact

636
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,559
and under uh dr steven greer he has his

637
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,280
own protocols for doing that

638
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,520
but there was another group called

639
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,120
mission rama

640
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,760
who were doing the same i want to say

641
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:30,960
like 90

642
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:32,799
the same exact thing that dr greer was

643
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:35,440
doing but he was doing it in 1974

644
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:39,360
in lima peru and there was a whole um

645
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,440
you know movement of contact activists

646
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,760
in the 1970s in south america and it was

647
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,039
pretty big and they had

648
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,600
local media coverage and they had

649
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:51,039
actually very good footage of some of

650
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,679
their

651
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,640
encounters they make bigger claims of

652
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,480
actual face-to-face interactions with

653
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,640
entities but of course there's

654
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,360
no pictures of that but they do have

655
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,679
some really good ufo footage

656
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,240
from their um their events there that

657
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,720
was documented by local media

658
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,799
and it wasn't just random they they

659
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,080
invited the media

660
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:14,159
to listen at this time this day and this

661
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:15,440
time there's going to be a sighting

662
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,360
and lo and behold you know whatever

663
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,039
wednesday 10 o'clock

664
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:21,039
a ship appears or two ships appear and

665
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,360
there's a whole interaction that goes on

666
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,960
and they're utilizing the same kind of

667
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,640
ideas like meditation

668
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:29,039
and consciousness which is what ce5 is

669
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,159
known for

670
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,000
so and then you want to go back further

671
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:34,400
than that there's the guy john d

672
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,600
um i forget what here maybe the 17 or

673
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:39,520
1800s and he was using

674
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:42,640
what he called the nokian magic and

675
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,760
having these interaction with angels or

676
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,360
you know non-human intelligence

677
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,520
who were communicating ideas and stuff

678
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,600
so this this kind of thing actually yes

679
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,279
the further you go back in time the

680
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,880
further you see that there's

681
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:57,200
some kind of contact between humans and

682
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,080
and

683
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,640
whatever we want to you know ascribe to

684
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,320
non-human intelligence some other kind

685
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:04,480
of entities

686
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,840
uh again so that the idea of ce5 really

687
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:09,279
goes way back

688
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,080
uh however uh dr stephen graham my

689
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:14,400
opinion did probably the most

690
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:17,919
modern job of framing that and you know

691
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:21,520
giving people um tools to go out and and

692
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,640
do the work

693
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,640
uh so his work with that is actually

694
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:26,559
very important in kind of putting that

695
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,200
together and

696
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,000
kind of rebranding contact in a way that

697
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,840
people say oh there's a there's a whole

698
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,159
method you have the c5 protocols

699
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,760
and there's a methodology and you do

700
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:38,080
that and you can have these interactions

701
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:39,440
so that that's kind of some of the

702
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,480
background on ce5 um as as an idea

703
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,559
now for the purpose of the interview

704
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:48,720
we'll go with ce5 i know quite a lot of

705
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:49,760
people are very

706
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,100
um

707
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:52,880
[Music]

708
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,080
the d word not disclosure um

709
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,840
why can't i divided i don't know why

710
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,240
that escaped me and they're divided on

711
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,760
stephen greer and we're going to come to

712
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,840
talk about dr green as well okay

713
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:06,240
because we have to but going going

714
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,960
forward just now

715
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,960
we'll go with ce5 okay and lots of

716
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,640
people are asking though

717
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,559
when you you've decided personally

718
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,080
you've had these experiences and you

719
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,600
want to try and contact these beings

720
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,880
engage the phenomenon

721
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,640
as you've called the channel other

722
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,559
people will have their reasons as well

723
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,240
how do you then or how would you

724
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,880
recommend someone goes about starting

725
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,600
to even try and contact some some other

726
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:29,679
life former intelligence

727
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,440
using ce5 of course okay so ce5

728
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,200
uh you know with again under the

729
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,360
umbrella of dr steven greer

730
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:40,000
he has his set of protocols and they

731
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,400
work

732
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:43,039
it's like training wheels right um so

733
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:43,600
his

734
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:46,880
dr stephen grier's method is um

735
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,640
you practice uh he doesn't he

736
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,480
you know he says you can do any form of

737
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:55,039
meditation as far as the basis of it

738
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,799
so you do a meditation uh for about

739
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,320
you know however long you want you can

740
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:02,480
do 20 minutes 30 minutes half an hour or

741
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:02,880
you know

742
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:05,760
an hour whatever it is so and after you

743
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,480
are

744
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,559
you do your meditation and you're

745
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:10,799
settled down you know you have a clear

746
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,520
calm mind your your monkey mind that has

747
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,679
all these random thoughts is kind of

748
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:18,720
um relaxed to an extent then you go

749
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,200
through

750
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:21,200
what he calls coherent thought

751
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,399
sequencing

752
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,320
and and dr stephen greer describes the

753
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:26,559
coherent thought sequencing

754
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:30,720
as um either remote viewing

755
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,399
or kind of like um an advanced version

756
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,640
or coherent version of visualization

757
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,600
because you know

758
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:39,279
not everybody believes that they can

759
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,960
remote view or whatever that's almost

760
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,159
beside the point

761
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:44,000
but you go through a visualization

762
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,200
process

763
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,600
of you know using your mind's eye or

764
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,960
your inner vision

765
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,279
to to look basically through the

766
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,640
universe

767
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,679
and and visualize uh that you're

768
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:57,120
connecting with these non-human

769
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,399
intelligences

770
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,559
and you vector them by you know

771
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,240
visualizing backwards

772
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,960
to where you are on earth you know in

773
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:05,520
your

774
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:09,039
state city town backyard wherever you

775
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,679
are

776
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,520
so you actually go through that process

777
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:13,120
called coherent thought sequencing for

778
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,840
another

779
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:17,039
you know 10 or 15 or 20 minutes you know

780
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,799
visualizing that you're going that

781
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,240
you're peering out with your mind's eye

782
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,600
into the universe

783
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,760
to see some of these entities or beings

784
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,039
or intelligences

785
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,039
and then visually guiding them back to

786
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,120
your location

787
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,159
and that's that's basically

788
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:35,120
greer's main main uh claim to fame as

789
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,630
now one of the issues is

790
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,600
that stephen greer also has has his app

791
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:47,360
which you can pay a one-off fee for

792
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,880
unless and in this field

793
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,320
different people have different ways of

794
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,240
making money or funding what they do

795
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,640
even what i do what you do takes time

796
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,320
takes money for equipment costs

797
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,279
all that sort of stuff as well okay but

798
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,480
you can obviously

799
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,320
pay for the app which talks you through

800
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:04,960
these protocols is that correct

801
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,600
yes but all anything that's on that app

802
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,120
you can find for free

803
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,760
but people people like having uh you

804
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,279
know a nice app on your phone

805
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:15,120
it looks it's dressed up nice it's

806
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,399
organized

807
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,640
i think you can once it's downloaded you

808
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,480
can access everything offline so if

809
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,559
you're in like a dead zone area

810
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,799
um you can just listen to meditations on

811
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,720
there but it's it's not going to be any

812
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,000
different from

813
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,919
you know uh any of his guided

814
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,679
meditations that you can find on youtube

815
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,679
and download to your phone

816
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,919
okay and we'll come back to some of the

817
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,679
issues people have had with that as well

818
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,520
but that's that's how it's done and the

819
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,880
idea behind it

820
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:43,679
what sort of experiences can people

821
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:44,799
expect

822
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:49,679
from one of these successful

823
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,039
meditations right um

824
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,880
well i i kind of want to say on the side

825
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:56,080
maybe you want to talk about it later

826
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:56,799
but that that

827
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,919
those are the ce5 protocols um that i

828
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:01,679
was just discussing before

829
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,919
but that's that's literally the idea of

830
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:06,480
it being training wheels is is basically

831
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,240
um it's a kind of big thing and uh

832
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,760
you know you don't you don't have to do

833
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:13,679
those those protocols

834
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,399
you can literally sit still and just

835
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,480
do nothing and have it happen but i i'll

836
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:22,320
get into that later i guess

837
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:25,760
um but the kind of you you can't

838
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:28,640
you can't really expect uh what's gonna

839
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:29,679
happen

840
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,679
and um there's a whole range that that

841
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:35,360
can occur and it all depends

842
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,039
on the individual um i guess you can say

843
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,200
their affinity to contact

844
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,799
there's there's so many unknowns that

845
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,799
when you're talking about ce5 like you

846
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,399
know i can go out and dictate and say

847
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,520
you should expect this

848
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,279
based on this experience level or

849
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:51,360
whatever but again as you know you can

850
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:51,679
see

851
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,159
i had all these kind of you know pretty

852
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,679
extreme experiences and i

853
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:58,320
didn't do ce5 at all and again there has

854
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,159
to be some kind of

855
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:03,200
reason how that occurred um

856
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,679
but uh i mean generally speaking

857
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,679
it you know depending on what you put

858
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:11,440
into it is what you're gonna get out of

859
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:12,080
it

860
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,600
so if you're kind of going out and

861
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:15,760
you're like oh i'm gonna do a

862
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:18,399
20-minute meditation outside and look in

863
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,519
the sky

864
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:22,240
um you might you know you'll probably

865
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:22,559
see

866
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,159
people report

867
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,919
and again there's there's levels of

868
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,760
interaction so if it's something that's

869
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:31,440
questionable as a satellite you can use

870
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:32,559
satellite apps

871
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,679
like heavens above uh also there was an

872
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:37,200
app called space junk that showed you

873
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:38,320
space debris

874
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:39,360
i don't know if that one's around

875
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:42,159
anymore so there's different apps you

876
00:31:44,830 --> 00:31:43,600
can use to disretain

877
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,840
if you're looking at something

878
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:47,760
conventional and if you see something

879
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,320
like an orb that's passing by and it's

880
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:51,840
flashing on a pattern

881
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,320
like every seven seconds or so that's

882
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,679
you can that's the rotation of the

883
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:57,760
object and it's very likely space junker

884
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,880
or something like that but again you can

885
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,240
see some of these orbs

886
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,360
and the the key with with ce5 or or

887
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:07,440
in a bigger picture contact work is the

888
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,640
interaction

889
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:11,760
to define as

890
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,360
if it's a genuine ce5 or not because

891
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:18,000
a lot of times uh you know many people

892
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,720
new to it

893
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,880
they it's actually their first time

894
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,080
really sky watching

895
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,720
so a lot of things they see in the sky

896
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:26,159
they kind of jump at and like oh it

897
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,640
worked

898
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:28,080
well i mean you you're gonna have to

899
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:29,600
really do your homework and a lot of

900
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,000
people

901
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,679
of course they're just getting into it

902
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,039
they're expecting to see something and

903
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,039
they see something in the sky that is

904
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,640
you know lights up um so they assume

905
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:41,360
you know it's it's it's contact when and

906
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,000
you know that's not

907
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:44,000
always the case so that's something to

908
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,120
keep in mind

909
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,200
you want to you know something that you

910
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,120
see in the sky you want to kind of

911
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,159
go down a process of elimination and and

912
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:54,159
try to find out what it is and when you

913
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,840
come to the thing of like okay it's an

914
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,960
unknown

915
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,120
that's a genuine c5 so again you know

916
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,960
with these orbs right

917
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,279
um some things you can see stationary

918
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,519
flashing in the sky

919
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,360
or you'll see it jump from point to

920
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,799
point and what i mean jump the point to

921
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:10,559
point i don't mean like flash here and

922
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,200
then come

923
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:13,120
a few inches over and flash here in the

924
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:14,799
sky i mean it's a clear

925
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,360
distinguished flash here and then like a

926
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,760
second later a few feet up and your eyes

927
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:21,039
you know which would be thousands of

928
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,799
feet just blip in there

929
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,720
and kind of like dance around the sky

930
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,640
like that you're obviously dealing with

931
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,240
something that's anomalous

932
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,720
and if it's responsive to your your

933
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,080
thought process and awareness that's

934
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:33,840
another kind of key indicator

935
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:37,200
so if you're seeing this orb and

936
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,799
you know you think in your mind okay is

937
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,720
that is that you know is it really

938
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,279
contact and it stops

939
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,279
and then does you know that's that's

940
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:46,960
obviously another indicator of something

941
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,880
kind of strange and um there's a whole

942
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,240
there's a whole spectrum of things you

943
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,240
can see okay so

944
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,120
um you could see like a few orbs in the

945
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,799
sky something like that there's

946
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,960
times when there are orbs that come down

947
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,320
on ground level

948
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:04,640
and i know people that have done ufo

949
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:07,120
field work that's not ce5 that have had

950
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,840
this happen

951
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,520
and they're people that are experiences

952
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,280
i think scott brown

953
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,320
uh who runs the the group in the field

954
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:16,320
he's not a ce fighter but he's a field

955
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,200
worker

956
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:19,119
and he's going out what they expect you

957
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,800
know to see some kind of

958
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,280
contact ufos and he's had things like

959
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:24,800
that happen too so that just shows you

960
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,359
how

961
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,520
the intention of what you're doing is is

962
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:28,960
actually the key role

963
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,599
um so there can be lights that come on

964
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,960
the sky but again

965
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,879
a lot of the stuff is unpredictable and

966
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,879
it happens very fast

967
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,879
and you know unless you have everything

968
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,800
set up to pre-record everything that's

969
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:42,320
going on around you

970
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,440
you're probably not going to get some

971
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,440
stuff now um

972
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,679
dr greer has actually recorded some good

973
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:48,560
stuff but

974
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:51,839
you know unfortunately he's got some uh

975
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,040
embarrassing misidentifications

976
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,200
as well that kind of muck up and then

977
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,119
people say oh well it's all nonsense

978
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,359
um you know all the documentation he has

979
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,119
which is unfortunate because he has some

980
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,440
really good stuff

981
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,760
but you know again as far as the

982
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,000
spectrum of what can happen

983
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:11,760
um there's stuff like that that i'm

984
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:14,079
mentioning which is on a kind of novice

985
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,720
level

986
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,560
just going out once or twice a week you

987
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,920
can experience those things you know

988
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,960
fairly

989
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,480
easily as long as you're serious about

990
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,800
it but then uh there's somebody in my

991
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,240
family i'll tell you

992
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:27,200
um it was their first ce5 and they they

993
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,520
knew

994
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,280
i was into this and whatever so they're

995
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:31,280
like okay let me try it with you

996
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,800
so i did this um i did a c5 with them i

997
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,680
just did the 20

998
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:37,280
i just did a 20 minute meditation i'm

999
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,480
telling them like listen if nothing

1000
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,680
happens

1001
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,520
don't be concerned don't worry about it

1002
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:43,040
this is we're just testing it out and

1003
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,320
this is your first time i get it you

1004
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:46,160
know we don't have to like kind of try

1005
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:47,520
so hard

1006
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:51,200
um so i was not expecting much

1007
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:54,640
you know and um they you know after we

1008
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:56,839
did our meditation they said oh

1009
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,079
um you know they i got a message say

1010
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,800
to look look for the colors and i'm

1011
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,079
thinking like i'm

1012
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,880
i'm skeptical of this person um even

1013
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,240
though i shouldn't be

1014
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,480
even as a as somebody with experiences

1015
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,079
and somebody who's doing the cd5 work

1016
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,760
for several years at that point

1017
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,599
and that's good you know because you

1018
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,680
don't have that pre-requisite of the

1019
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,880
bias there that

1020
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,160
that's what it is so that's that's good

1021
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:22,079
to know though that you sorry to

1022
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,200
interrupt but

1023
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,960
i like that that you've got the attitude

1024
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,200
towards it that yeah but is it happening

1025
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,040
is it legit because you're you're going

1026
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:30,720
a little bit extra you're going that bit

1027
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,200
further

1028
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:34,079
yeah i always i even with my own stuff

1029
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,640
if i

1030
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:37,359
i and and and i'll just say this to be

1031
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,480
clear that

1032
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,920
when you have that question you can

1033
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,160
still go out and do this work honestly

1034
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,400
and have a level of skepticism

1035
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,800
and when the the phenomenon appears it's

1036
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,480
not going to make you guess

1037
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,160
if it's there it's going to show you

1038
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,680
when because one as soon as the question

1039
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,960
comes to your mind

1040
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,040
is this like something legit it will

1041
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:57,040
usually do something where like okay

1042
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,240
i got the message because they're not

1043
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:59,920
coming there to waste your time or their

1044
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,560
time

1045
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,160
the you know the intelligence is going

1046
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,720
to be clear and demonstrating that it is

1047
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,400
you know anomalous phenomena it's

1048
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:08,079
another intelligence it's not some kind

1049
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:09,359
of like oh i don't know if that's a

1050
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,240
satellite

1051
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,720
usually if you think that it will do

1052
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:14,800
something to demonstrate that it is

1053
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,000
clearly another intelligence so

1054
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:20,800
um yeah this person said look out for

1055
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:21,760
the callers and i'm

1056
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:25,040
kind of thinking like okay maybe they

1057
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,160
just

1058
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,240
got that in their meditation and you

1059
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:30,240
know i didn't you know i didn't think

1060
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,520
much of it other than that

1061
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:33,119
and you know i hope this person doesn't

1062
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:34,640
hear me say this right

1063
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,920
um but uh so we

1064
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,200
we step out of the room where we're

1065
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,359
doing the meditation

1066
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,520
and two of my other family members are

1067
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:45,040
like somebody's taking pictures from

1068
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:46,160
outside

1069
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:47,280
i'm like what are you talking about

1070
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,560
because they're sitting down in the dark

1071
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:50,000
watching a movie

1072
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,520
so they have the lights off and they

1073
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:53,119
said there's flashes of light coming in

1074
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,240
the house and i saw it

1075
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:57,200
and it lit the light lit up the inside

1076
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,560
of the house

1077
00:38:01,829 --> 00:38:00,800
um and you know again because all the

1078
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,839
lights are off and they're watching a

1079
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,680
movie so i'm like oh crap

1080
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:06,400
okay i i'm already assuming like okay i

1081
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,760
think something's going on at this point

1082
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,760
because that's too much of a coincidence

1083
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,440
and they didn't know what we were doing

1084
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,640
they didn't know we were going to do a

1085
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:14,320
c5 or anything like that they're just

1086
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,640
innocent bystanders so i i run outside

1087
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:20,240
and my laser was set there by the door

1088
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:21,280
and i i don't

1089
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,640
suggest people use lasers they're

1090
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:24,640
dangerous don't use them

1091
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,079
so i grab my laser disclaimer so i grab

1092
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,320
my laser and i go outside

1093
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,240
and there's these two i guess you can

1094
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,119
say these two orbs these two crafts

1095
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:37,119
and they're moving like this so one's

1096
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,640
moving in one direction one's moving the

1097
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,240
other direction

1098
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:43,040
and i i flash my laser in between them

1099
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,560
and it goes like this one flashes like

1100
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:46,000
this and one flashes like this and i'm

1101
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,640
like okay

1102
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,800
this is okay this is going on all right

1103
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,680
so i

1104
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,920
and uh the person that i did the ce5

1105
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,760
with was with me

1106
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,240
and as soon as those two kind of flashed

1107
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:57,520
at each other

1108
00:39:01,829 --> 00:39:00,960
uh just a second by second the entire

1109
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,839
sky

1110
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:04,000
uh started to light up anywhere you

1111
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,440
looked in the sky

1112
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:07,920
there were different types of activity

1113
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:10,880
and again this is somebody's first ce5

1114
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,240
and um even as ce5s go for me i've had

1115
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,320
really extraordinary things happen

1116
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:19,119
but this was the most visually aesthetic

1117
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:20,000
like

1118
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,440
kind of thing

1119
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:25,440
uh you know i i jokingly called it like

1120
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:27,520
an intergalactic initiation

1121
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:31,200
uh just because um they're you know i

1122
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:32,320
would look this way

1123
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,920
and there was like a a purple orb

1124
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,720
um clearly in the sky but i could see uh

1125
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:40,800
it was part of a structure

1126
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:43,599
um you know for many of these different

1127
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,000
things

1128
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,640
they were actually what i perceived as

1129
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:48,880
structures around the lights

1130
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:51,680
um so there was this purple one over

1131
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:52,400
here

1132
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,839
and they're all kind of either moving or

1133
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:00,640
flashing or just stationary

1134
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:03,680
and then you know i go inside and i i

1135
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,000
get

1136
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,760
the other family members that come out

1137
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,520
here come out here i think

1138
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,040
you know after that last experience in

1139
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,040
2007 they kind of figured they knew

1140
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,440
and at this point this is years later so

1141
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,200
they knew i was into ce5 at this point

1142
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,720
they knew i was doing the work so they

1143
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,760
came out

1144
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:20,160
and again this whole thing went on for

1145
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,520
about a half an hour

1146
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,680
of all these different lights in the sky

1147
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,720
like that

1148
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,760
and it was just incredible and there

1149
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,200
were flash bulbs

1150
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,200
and there were alleged streakers which

1151
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,800
looks kind of like a shooting star but

1152
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,119
they were making zigzags in the sky

1153
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,720
and coming from different directions

1154
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,520
like second after second after second

1155
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,520
um and this is another one of those

1156
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:43,359
things where i thought this was going to

1157
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,160
kind of be

1158
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:46,880
in the media in some way just because

1159
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,520
there was an

1160
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:50,400
overwhelming amount of activity and i

1161
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,280
don't like to

1162
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,000
to tell the story and and and like get

1163
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,599
people's hopes up of this is

1164
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,839
could happen because i've had a lot of

1165
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,960
great experiences but

1166
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,960
even to this day this one was the most

1167
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,000
visually like

1168
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,319
in your face uh you know other than that

1169
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:07,280
that metal disk that was like really low

1170
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:10,480
um because it was just it was it was

1171
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,359
insane

1172
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,680
the amount of anomalous phenomena that

1173
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,040
was going on

1174
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,720
and um it and then towards the end of it

1175
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,760
there were actually orbs down on the

1176
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:22,960
ground

1177
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,079
um just a few feet away from me and they

1178
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:27,920
were almost in like a structure

1179
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:30,960
so there was like three here four here

1180
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:34,079
two here and almost like they were kind

1181
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,280
of aligned in like

1182
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:37,920
almost a pyramid structure uh and these

1183
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:38,400
were like

1184
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,680
yellow orbs and um you know they were

1185
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:42,960
pulsing whatever and

1186
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:46,079
i i was i was like freaking out

1187
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,079
even even with experience at this point

1188
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:50,800
because again this is just um

1189
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:53,839
not expected uh and and you know i kind

1190
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:54,319
of

1191
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,839
kicked myself for this but the only

1192
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,440
reason i guess that this

1193
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,960
thing ended was because i'm like i gotta

1194
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,520
go get my friend uh my one of my friends

1195
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:03,359
who does e5 with me my friend dave so

1196
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,839
i'm like i

1197
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,359
i gotta go get dave i gotta get dave

1198
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,800
because he was supposed to do a c5 with

1199
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:08,000
us that night

1200
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,680
and then uh you know i was getting ready

1201
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,440
to leave alone

1202
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:13,920
everybody else was gonna stay there and

1203
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,319
so i can go get my friend dave so he can

1204
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,680
see this because this you know he just

1205
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,680
ce5 with me over almost uh

1206
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,200
you know we were doing it several maybe

1207
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,119
three four times a week at that time

1208
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,520
and me and him had never seen something

1209
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,520
like this together during ce5 you know

1210
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,800
we saw the typical stuff i was

1211
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,440
explaining before

1212
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,560
so that was extraordinary and that

1213
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:37,200
happened during a legit c5 so i did the

1214
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:38,160
ce5

1215
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,400
process and this kind of event happened

1216
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,280
so again incredible experience now

1217
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:47,040
taking you back a little bit before i

1218
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,480
suck around to my my ques

1219
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,560
next question here i'm one of those

1220
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,720
people that i would love to try it

1221
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,400
i'm a little impatient though so the

1222
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:55,839
idea of meditating

1223
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,240
especially for me is about really i'd be

1224
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,920
like constantly thinking how long's it

1225
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,720
been you know

1226
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,400
must have been 20 minutes okay it's been

1227
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,000
it's been 30 seconds

1228
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,000
but like i've i've said before where i

1229
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,680
live it's a very clear sky

1230
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,359
so when i'm taking my dog for a walk at

1231
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,040
night i will walk about with my head

1232
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,119
basically looking up at the stars

1233
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,720
given my interest in what i do i've got

1234
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,200
a ufo podcast i'm interested in c5

1235
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,720
remote viewing aliens

1236
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,599
all of the above i'm clearly looking for

1237
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,800
something you're always looking at the

1238
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,680
stars for like

1239
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,480
i want to see something so that want or

1240
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,480
desire is there for a start okay

1241
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,240
not that i'm filming i'm just looking i

1242
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,599
just want to see something

1243
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,599
whether it's a triangle a craft or a

1244
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:35,839
light moving just on a flash

1245
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,119
now i've looked out before and when i've

1246
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,800
just just been in the mood

1247
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,200
i've just had that thought to myself or

1248
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,880
i've spoken out loud

1249
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:47,119
or quietly and just went if there's

1250
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,560
anything up there

1251
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,640
quite happy to see something you know

1252
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,640
and you're just scanning the sky

1253
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:55,119
any lights you know show me something

1254
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:56,240
and

1255
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,400
don't spend long doing it but there's

1256
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,680
been quite a few occasions

1257
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:04,160
more than three four or five where i've

1258
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,960
been looking

1259
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,560
i've said that and the lights come

1260
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:08,640
across now i'm quite used to seeing the

1261
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,359
iss

1262
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,359
space station passes over all the time

1263
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,440
uh i'm used to seeing satellites going

1264
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:15,280
along and they've got that kind of slow

1265
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,640
steady

1266
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,160
pace they have as they go along the

1267
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,440
light in the sky so i'm used to that

1268
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:20,960
kind of stuff in aircraft and mod as

1269
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,599
well

1270
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,599
but there's been occasions where light's

1271
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:25,119
moved along and i've went

1272
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,480
okay and you're thinking to yourself

1273
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,480
that's that's interesting i've said that

1274
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,680
in this light's popped interview it

1275
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,960
could be a satellite

1276
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,640
show me something else and you get the

1277
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,079
flash of the pulse

1278
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,800
and for me i tend to go okay that's

1279
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:38,560
that's interesting and i kind of stopped

1280
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,280
there

1281
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:41,359
i've also seen lights that have moved a

1282
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,720
little bit and seem to

1283
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,079
wave in and out i know when you're

1284
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,160
looking at stars or lights in the sky

1285
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,720
they can appear just from the the dimmer

1286
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:50,000
of the light they can appear to

1287
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,920
move in ways they actually aren't but

1288
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,000
i've seen lights that have quite clearly

1289
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,319
waved in and out of you can see the

1290
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,760
stars against the background where you

1291
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,760
can see them moving in and out and again

1292
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,760
i kind of stop at that point of okay

1293
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,079
maybe that's something maybe it's not

1294
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,640
you have described an intense experience

1295
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:08,160
on the other end of the spectrum so i've

1296
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,040
probably had quite

1297
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:12,079
basic light you know incidents if if

1298
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:13,280
that was

1299
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,720
real you know um encounters as such

1300
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:18,160
it may have been something else like you

1301
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:19,440
say it could have been space junk who

1302
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,000
knows

1303
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,480
what we're never going to find out but

1304
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,160
what i want to know is

1305
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:26,240
why would these entities and

1306
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:27,520
intelligences

1307
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,040
even bother to show up for andy

1308
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:33,599
or james when we're doing whatever we're

1309
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,079
doing

1310
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,240
what's what do you think is their

1311
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,760
purpose or reason for even

1312
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,240
bothering to put in any level of effort

1313
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,079
to show themselves because someone has

1314
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,160
asked

1315
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,960
uh and uh this is this goes back so

1316
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,520
during that that 2007 experience i

1317
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,680
i part of that whole experience i guess

1318
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,440
like i said was a download

1319
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:56,000
and you know i clearly got the

1320
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:57,760
communication that they

1321
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,560
they kind of either want or have a

1322
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,319
relationship with us

1323
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,760
and again these are impressions i'm

1324
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,760
getting and i'm interpreting them

1325
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,680
i don't know if they're representational

1326
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:09,119
i don't know if these are my own

1327
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,119
thoughts kind of based on but so

1328
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,440
i i tend to think that they want some

1329
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:17,200
kind of engagement with us

1330
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,640
i i don't know why um but i i clearly

1331
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,079
did get that message

1332
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,920
and you know that was another reason why

1333
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:25,280
i was really pushing forward with the

1334
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,000
ce5

1335
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,040
work um because it's like we're

1336
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,599
you know building this communication

1337
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,040
that who know whoever

1338
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,680
you know maybe when when uh when open

1339
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,520
contact finally happens there's gonna be

1340
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:39,520
more to say about that i don't know

1341
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,880
but it to me it it clearly

1342
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,720
i clearly got the message that they they

1343
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,119
wanted some kind of interaction with us

1344
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,599
you know um so that's my own personal

1345
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,760
thought on that

1346
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,359
now when we're talking about these

1347
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:55,680
beings or entities

1348
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,400
stephen greer who are mentioning him a

1349
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,920
lot and i'm sure most people listening

1350
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:01,680
are aware of who stephen greer is but if

1351
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:02,640
you're not

1352
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,040
then the movies are documentaries are

1353
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:07,520
available on netflix and amazon prime

1354
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:07,920
and

1355
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,880
research as well just to kind of see

1356
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,480
that the basics are why we're talking

1357
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:13,680
about what we are

1358
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:17,200
but steven grier pushes the

1359
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:19,280
idea that whatever these are they are

1360
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,559
very friendly

1361
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:23,200
they are trying to help us as a species

1362
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:24,000
and give us

1363
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,599
warnings and messages that you know

1364
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,040
we're going about things the wrong way

1365
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,880
especially when it comes to weapons

1366
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,960
and he's very much against the the idea

1367
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,559
of a threat narrative and what

1368
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,520
previously ttsa and louis elizondo and

1369
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,480
and people like that are now potentially

1370
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,480
going down that route of

1371
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,240
do you subscribe to the idea that

1372
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,839
whatever these entities are they're all

1373
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,920
coming from another planet another solar

1374
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,800
system

1375
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,880
do you think it's multiple things

1376
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,640
happening at once different realities

1377
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,240
and dimensions coming

1378
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:54,000
what's your personal thoughts given your

1379
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,680
experiences on

1380
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:57,599
where these beings are from potentially

1381
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,800
and what their kind of messages

1382
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:03,440
okay so yeah that's two questions there

1383
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:04,160
um

1384
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,359
i i during all the interactions i had

1385
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,079
i there have been distinct differences

1386
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:11,599
where

1387
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:14,880
um like the one that happened in 2007

1388
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,079
um the one where you know i was asked

1389
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,119
to come outside that they they told me

1390
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:22,720
they were extraterrestrials they

1391
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:25,839
told me that they were e.t um in that

1392
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:28,960
download thing um so i don't again i

1393
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,599
don't know

1394
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,599
if that was literal or because at that

1395
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,760
time i was i was not as deep into the

1396
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:35,119
work now where i'm like okay there's

1397
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,319
extra credentials

1398
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,720
uh interdimensionals extra dimensionals

1399
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,160
time travelers all

1400
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,240
i only had that concept really at that

1401
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:43,680
time for ufos

1402
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:46,960
you know um for for the most part i only

1403
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,599
okay

1404
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:49,520
ufos are extraterrestrials so i don't

1405
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:52,000
know if that plays a factor in it but

1406
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,119
they they told me that they were

1407
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:55,599
extraterrestrials um

1408
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,960
i don't know if that's true uh but i've

1409
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,640
had interactions

1410
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,880
you know before and after that that were

1411
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,640
distinctly different

1412
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,040
where i'm like okay that's it doesn't it

1413
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,359
doesn't have the same quality of feeling

1414
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,240
um the phenomenon um manifests or

1415
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,240
appears in different ways

1416
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:16,160
i think we're dealing with several

1417
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:17,680
different intelligences

1418
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:20,880
um i think we're being engaged by

1419
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,200
probably you know i hate to make this

1420
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,359
sound like a blanket statement but all

1421
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,680
the above i think we're dealing with

1422
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:30,079
uh beings from different dimensions i

1423
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,720
think we're

1424
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,599
we're actually dealing with different um

1425
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:35,280
physical entities that are from this

1426
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,480
universe so we could call them

1427
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,119
extraterrestrial biological beings

1428
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,880
um so i think we're dealing with a lot

1429
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:42,480
of different things and i think they all

1430
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,520
probably

1431
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,359
have um or at least some of them have

1432
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,720
different agendas

1433
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,960
uh that's that's just my own personal

1434
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,839
take on at

1435
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,160
you know at this time you know um so i'm

1436
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,520
subject to change on that but that's

1437
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,960
kind of that's how i feel based on

1438
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,559
everything that i experience and all the

1439
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,079
research i've done

1440
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:01,280
um but i i do

1441
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,720
um again this is just personal belief i

1442
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:07,040
do have a feeling that there there is a

1443
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:07,760
group

1444
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:11,359
of um you know these intelligences

1445
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,400
that are looking out for us you know

1446
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,880
um you know people might not like that

1447
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,240
but that's that's just my

1448
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,400
how i feel honestly i think that you

1449
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,599
know some of these

1450
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,599
even if some of these uh entities don't

1451
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:25,359
have our best interests

1452
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,480
that it's it's possible that um

1453
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,079
what we could call the benevolent ones

1454
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,319
the ones that do have some kind of stake

1455
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,760
at least in this planet and

1456
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,319
and us for whatever reason uh they're

1457
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:38,720
not gonna let them interfere with us

1458
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:41,599
um to the you know to the extent of like

1459
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:42,000
oh

1460
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,359
they're gonna just come invade this

1461
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:49,349
now what has been the biggest change for

1462
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:49,680
you

1463
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,440
totally changed at this point

1464
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:01,119
is there anything you would potentially

1465
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,720
even look back on

1466
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:04,400
and tell yourself at the start of your

1467
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:07,760
journey actually you thought this but

1468
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:10,960
this is the way to go about it yeah

1469
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,920
i mean that's and that's constantly um

1470
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:15,599
kind of evolving

1471
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,400
i you know when i when i first heard a

1472
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:20,559
lot of dr grier stuff i actually

1473
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,240
took a lot of what he said more

1474
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,720
seriously but i questioned it

1475
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,079
so i you know after my own

1476
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:28,880
investigations i i don't come to all the

1477
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:29,520
same

1478
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:32,640
a lot of those things

1479
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,920
i you know i i you know he he talks

1480
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,200
about my labs and

1481
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,680
and even like again mo that all these

1482
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,200
entities are peaceful

1483
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,760
and even his own message has changed

1484
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,599
with that and if you really press him on

1485
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:47,119
that he's not gonna say okay they're all

1486
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,160
peaceful

1487
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,760
um but he's gonna say they're not

1488
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,760
hostile um

1489
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:53,760
so that yeah my some of my thoughts have

1490
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:56,800
changed over that i've been i've become

1491
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:00,640
um more agnostic in a sense where

1492
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:03,920
um you know like before after the

1493
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,880
contact and first

1494
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:07,040
getting into c5 i i felt like i had more

1495
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,800
of it figured out and

1496
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,559
you know the more i really investigated

1497
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,040
and kind of like in a zen cone way or

1498
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,040
self-inquiry model

1499
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,520
really questioning myself constantly and

1500
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,119
realizing how little i know

1501
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:21,920
even as you know because a lot of times

1502
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:23,359
um you'll come across this kind of

1503
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,559
phenomena where

1504
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,640
you know experiencers feel like they

1505
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:28,400
have all the answers

1506
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,599
but i i've taken the approach that

1507
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,200
you know even with all the contact you

1508
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,960
can have your you don't have all the

1509
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,559
answers no matter who you are

1510
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,359
and um so i'm i'm a big proponent of

1511
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:40,960
that where it's like i don't i don't

1512
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,440
believe

1513
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:44,000
the experiences have all the answers um

1514
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,359
i think they have one

1515
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,839
important piece but so does everybody

1516
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:49,359
else

1517
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,800
there will be people listening to this

1518
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:52,559
right now who have decided off the back

1519
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:52,800
of

1520
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:55,839
your your your advice and experiences

1521
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,800
and

1522
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:58,160
decide you know what i'm going to give

1523
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:59,920
this a go what advice would you give

1524
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:02,079
them

1525
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:05,440
for ce5 yeah oh man

1526
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,640
i i mean you know you look at every

1527
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,160
available source

1528
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:13,280
and um you know do what what

1529
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:16,400
you're so inclined to do i mean uh

1530
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:20,400
there's a great free pdf uh by celia

1531
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:20,960
hatch

1532
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,640
called um a ce5 handbook

1533
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,119
and that's you can find that on google

1534
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,359
um i can probably get you a link to that

1535
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:31,520
and it's a free pdf download

1536
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,240
and that has uh several different

1537
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:36,480
approaches to ce5

1538
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:39,599
uh where you know again see the

1539
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:43,200
the basis with ce5 is

1540
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,520
the intention to have contact

1541
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,839
you know and the further you kind of or

1542
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:51,839
you know the more you invest in that

1543
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,680
you know the greater probability you're

1544
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,359
going to have of

1545
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,599
having an interaction of some sort and

1546
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,280
you know i can't dictate to what level

1547
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,040
you're gonna have an experience

1548
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,000
um but you know generally people who

1549
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:06,160
take it seriously and give it a serious

1550
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,480
go

1551
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:08,000
and put time and effort into it are

1552
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,200
gonna are gonna get some kind of

1553
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:10,800
interaction

1554
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,079
um so there's a lot of stuff on

1555
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:16,880
you know again i know people might not

1556
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:17,680
uh

1557
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,079
like stephen greer but he has a ton of

1558
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:22,319
stuff on youtube where he's got guided

1559
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,599
meditations

1560
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:24,800
even just talking about some of the

1561
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:27,839
philosophy and when it comes to that he

1562
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,880
he's actually very knowledgeable um even

1563
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,720
though he's had his share of fumbles

1564
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:35,599
his his his work with ce5 is incredible

1565
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:36,640
he's g

1566
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,079
you know again that's that's part of

1567
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:40,880
what what um drew me to dr greer

1568
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,440
um early on was that when he was

1569
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:45,440
describing contact and how it happens

1570
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:46,720
and the experiences

1571
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,000
it was exactly as i had experienced

1572
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,040
so i he knew what he was talking about

1573
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,119
so there is a lot of good stuff on on

1574
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,880
his ce5 stuff

1575
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,240
on his youtube channel you can just

1576
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:00,960
watch for free um

1577
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,359
and uh you know again the search around

1578
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,000
for for different contact modalities

1579
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:08,160
and the most important thing is to

1580
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,359
practice them right

1581
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:12,400
so if you want to have a general c5

1582
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,839
experience

1583
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,599
it's you know it might you know you

1584
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,440
might have to practice at it for a few

1585
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:18,960
weeks or months even

1586
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,079
to have something where it's like uh a

1587
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,480
truly anomalous event

1588
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,720
you know and everybody's different so

1589
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,319
i've had friends that

1590
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,960
you know they had to come out with me

1591
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:32,000
for

1592
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:38,160
um and they they actually uh they came

1593
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:39,680
with me to this awesome event we saw

1594
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:42,640
this uh golden craft come in super low

1595
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,799
um which was incredible but again that's

1596
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:45,839
somebody

1597
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,440
who was really um

1598
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:51,200
it took him a while to kind of catch on

1599
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,799
to it but after a few months

1600
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:54,079
he was doing it on his own and he

1601
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,240
started his own team so

1602
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,559
um it just takes the most important

1603
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,160
thing is that you practice it

1604
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:02,559
and consistently because if you practice

1605
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,440
it for two weeks

1606
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:05,920
and then drop it for a month uh you know

1607
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:06,720
that's

1608
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,359
for two weeks and then you stop going

1609
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:11,040
for a month

1610
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,480
you know your progress is gonna dampen

1611
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,400
yeah listen before we get to listen our

1612
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:18,240
questions i do want to talk for a few

1613
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,880
minutes on

1614
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,799
on dr steven green okay and some of

1615
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,480
those practices like you say

1616
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,480
my opinion and it's only my opinion it's

1617
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:27,040
not right or wrong or you know

1618
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,559
stephen gray is someone who i think

1619
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,400
started out with the best intentions

1620
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:32,160
and even you've alluded to the fact over

1621
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:33,520
the years has messages

1622
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:36,720
has changed and he's had some fumbles

1623
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:39,520
now my one of my big issues is not

1624
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,079
someone

1625
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:41,839
attempting to make some money if this is

1626
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,839
what he left quite a lucrative career

1627
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,680
didn't he's a surgeon

1628
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:48,000
um so he he could have made a lot of

1629
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:48,720
money doing

1630
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:51,920
doing that anyway however

1631
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,880
he has and still does charge

1632
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,400
extortionate amounts of money

1633
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:58,559
what some may seem two or three thousand

1634
00:57:02,470 --> 00:56:59,440
dollars

1635
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:02,480
to sit on the beach with him and

1636
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:05,359
have ce5 experiences as he talks about

1637
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,680
it

1638
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,200
and there's been controversies around

1639
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,200
those that potentially

1640
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,520
on one occasion there was a local flight

1641
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:13,200
school had records where a pilot was

1642
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:14,880
basically dropping flares

1643
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,440
out off the coast now i've not heard of

1644
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:19,520
many of these experiences with dr greer

1645
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,280
ending in disappointment

1646
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:23,040
which you would you would think just

1647
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:24,319
given the nature of what you're trying

1648
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,040
to do there

1649
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,960
surely would be some times where nothing

1650
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:29,839
happened and that's not dr greer's fault

1651
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:32,640
all the people that he's with so where

1652
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:33,599
do you sit

1653
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:36,559
with the practice where dr geary is at

1654
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:37,359
now

1655
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,240
of this does generate a lot of revenue

1656
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,240
for him there's no escaping that

1657
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,559
um the amount of money he can charge for

1658
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:46,400
some of these experiences

1659
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:49,440
and do you see why people have

1660
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:52,640
turned away from dr greer's message yeah

1661
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,119
i mean i

1662
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,599
i've you know as somebody who's kind of

1663
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:57,520
looked at in the ce5 community as a

1664
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,640
leader of sorts

1665
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,920
you know i created the social media

1666
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:02,160
around c5

1667
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,200
i i mean when he when he

1668
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:07,119
first started charging because it used

1669
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,720
to be a lot cheaper it was way cheaper

1670
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,839
years ago

1671
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:12,000
and as soon as he upped the price i i

1672
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,440
contacted cse

1673
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:15,040
leadership and i said what is what are

1674
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:16,559
you guys doing

1675
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,119
and they said yeah i understand what

1676
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,960
you're saying james but this is

1677
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:23,200
uh stephen you know this is dr grier's

1678
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,799
call there's nothing we can do about it

1679
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:25,839
kind of thing

1680
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,839
so i mean really um i've i've been open

1681
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,760
in the ce5 community saying listen you

1682
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,079
do not need this training it's a novelty

1683
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,720
to go out with dr greer yeah if you're

1684
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,480
following dr grier's work it's cool to

1685
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:39,839
go out with him especially when it was

1686
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:40,720
cheaper

1687
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:44,400
uh but it by no means isn't needed at

1688
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,520
all you could just get up

1689
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:47,200
start this on your own i know a lot of

1690
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,839
people who have

1691
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:51,040
um i don't think there's anybody in

1692
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,799
ufology that's made more money than dr

1693
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:53,920
stephen greer

1694
00:59:01,910 --> 00:58:57,359
for whatever that's worth um i

1695
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,920
i'm completely against monetizing ce5 to

1696
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,119
that degree

1697
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,079
i can see okay you want to cover the

1698
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,920
cost of renting the space

1699
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,160
sure you need to make a little money for

1700
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:11,920
yourself for investing time

1701
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,480
sure but what he's done is outrageous

1702
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:19,520
and it it it's hurt the community

1703
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:22,640
it's hurt ce5 you know

1704
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,880
so um you know in in some ways

1705
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:29,359
see dr stephen greer ce5's greatest

1706
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:30,559
enemy

1707
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,400
so it he he's kind of become the biggest

1708
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,440
obstacle and you know years ago early

1709
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,599
on and you know he was promoting it and

1710
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:41,839
you know people were skeptical at first

1711
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:42,160
but

1712
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:44,000
you know now so you have this event

1713
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,440
right with the flares

1714
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:47,200
uh which those are flyers there's no

1715
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,720
question that those are flares you can

1716
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,799
see the sequence that they appear

1717
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,720
and the sequence in which they disappear

1718
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:54,880
are and in the slow

1719
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,599
way they drift all consistent with

1720
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:59,200
flares you cannot prove those are not

1721
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,480
flares

1722
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,599
um i can say i've been to

1723
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,680
see seti events with dr greer where

1724
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:07,440
there was genuine contact where you

1725
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,480
couldn't fake it if you had all the

1726
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:09,920
money in the world it's just things

1727
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:11,119
occurred that

1728
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,559
you know you couldn't fake but um

1729
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,559
again yeah this i mean this flare thing

1730
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,240
is a big question

1731
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:21,119
i can't say one way or another that he

1732
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,920
staged it

1733
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:23,359
there actually there was a search and

1734
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:26,079
rescue that same night close by

1735
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,720
in florida um i don't know if that was

1736
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:30,160
far enough away

1737
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,760
uh where you could have seen flares from

1738
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:33,119
that it was a coast guard search and

1739
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:34,160
rescue

1740
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:37,599
um but again um

1741
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:41,040
i you know ce5's biggest obstacle has

1742
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,040
become dr greer

1743
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:45,359
um but at the same time it's it's so

1744
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:46,079
difficult and

1745
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,160
i'll tell you for somebody like me um

1746
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:52,799
it's really difficult to kind of to deal

1747
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:53,200
with

1748
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,480
it's almost like you have to take the

1749
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:57,119
term c5 and and do something else all

1750
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:57,920
together

1751
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:01,839
because of the the flack it's gotten

1752
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:03,760
because of dr greer but you know and you

1753
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:06,000
have this thing where at the same time

1754
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:09,119
he put out the ce5 film and now

1755
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:12,799
millions of people uh are aware of ce5

1756
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,079
where like kind of like

1757
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,400
in the other films it's like they got

1758
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,480
people got like a taste of it

1759
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:21,040
but he just put out this huge film

1760
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:21,520
reached

1761
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,359
millions and millions of people you get

1762
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:25,839
people like demi lovato promoting it

1763
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,960
um and it's it's it's like it's a

1764
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:30,400
double-edged sword

1765
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:33,200
because you need that awareness spread

1766
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:34,559
not even if ce5

1767
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:37,599
say per the name but the awareness that

1768
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:40,559
that people have the innate ability

1769
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:41,440
whether through

1770
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,960
the the you know ufos technology or just

1771
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:47,040
whatever that you can that you can reach

1772
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:48,319
out to this intelligence and it can

1773
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:49,440
respond

1774
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,559
you know that you can have contact um so

1775
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:54,799
there's that part where it's like he's

1776
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:55,839
he's been

1777
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:57,920
more instrumental than anybody on this

1778
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:59,039
planet

1779
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:01,760
for opening that idea to people you know

1780
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,319
even though

1781
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,400
some of the the past attempts at like

1782
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:06,000
mission rama and stuff

1783
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,280
uh had close contact encounters

1784
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,480
no one has come close

1785
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,559
to spreading the awareness of the basic

1786
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:16,000
idea of ce5 than

1787
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,440
than dr greer so um it's it is what it

1788
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:21,119
is right

1789
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,640
yeah i appreciate the honest in that

1790
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:24,960
answer and the way i see it with dr

1791
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,599
greer is

1792
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:27,680
like i say he had the best intentions

1793
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,760
and a real message

1794
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,359
to go out with at the start and that's

1795
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,119
changed over the years largely due to

1796
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,640
money and

1797
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,880
celebrity call it what it is and i think

1798
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,119
a lot of what it is with dr greer now is

1799
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:41,440
its cult of personality that people are

1800
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:42,240
willing to pay

1801
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:43,839
two to three thousand four thousand

1802
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:45,760
dollars or whatever it is

1803
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,760
not necessarily just for the experience

1804
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,440
but they buy into him

1805
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,440
and they trust him blindly and it's

1806
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:53,119
almost a faith

1807
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,880
you know you don't want to say cult in a

1808
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,640
sense but cult of personality

1809
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,160
that they're going because it's him

1810
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,400
that's doing it um which like you say is

1811
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:02,240
a shame because it does damage

1812
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:05,200
a potentially what seems to be very

1813
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:05,920
noble

1814
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:09,839
and incredible practice to go in for

1815
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:11,440
what i want to just ask on that is i

1816
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,960
asked michael mazzolo when i spoke to

1817
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,799
him now if people are new to the podcast

1818
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:16,240
and there are thousands of you that

1819
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:17,839
haven't heard the stuff from just last

1820
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,480
year

1821
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,880
i interviewed mike mazzola who was the

1822
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:21,839
director of

1823
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:24,960
unacknowledged and ce5 which were dr

1824
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,520
grier's

1825
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,839
uh some of his documentaries and they're

1826
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,760
available on netflix amazon prime and

1827
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,280
stuff like that as well

1828
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:33,680
and i asked michael mazzola that if this

1829
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:34,799
practice

1830
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:38,640
is is so incredible and dr grier

1831
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:40,559
claims to be someone still at the

1832
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:41,680
forefront if not

1833
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:45,200
the go-to guy for this okay why does he

1834
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:46,000
not

1835
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,599
reaching out for that one percent that

1836
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,200
he talks about

1837
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,920
get with the resources he has not even

1838
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:53,680
just money but connections

1839
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:57,280
a live nose crew head to a landmark

1840
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:01,359
get a group and perform ce5 live on tv

1841
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,839
get some stuff to come overhead not even

1842
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:05,359
the most incredible but just something

1843
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:06,400
to appear

1844
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:08,319
and then surely that would that bang

1845
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:10,000
that would be the message for that

1846
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,559
why do you not think that that's

1847
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,520
happened in modern day

1848
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,680
i don't know you know actually in in i

1849
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:19,359
forget which film it was in

1850
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:22,480
um he did one where again it wasn't it

1851
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:23,680
wasn't for the public

1852
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:26,400
i mean he they recorded it but for one

1853
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:27,280
of those i actually

1854
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:28,880
think it was serious unfortunately

1855
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,640
because that film is highly

1856
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,640
controversial because of the atacama

1857
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:34,400
which is a whole nother

1858
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,240
yes yes yeah uh hazard um

1859
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:40,640
but they actually they got really good

1860
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:41,440
footage in that

1861
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,119
um but again yeah man that's

1862
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,960
you know that's something that it needs

1863
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:48,799
to be experimented with

1864
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:50,319
you know again we were talking before

1865
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:52,319
about location i i was

1866
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:54,079
in midtown manhattan on the roof of a

1867
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:55,359
building

1868
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:58,480
and i did ce5 and had

1869
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:01,839
an absolutely incredible experience

1870
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:04,079
on several occasions again in midtown

1871
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,359
manhattan i'm up

1872
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,960
by myself on the roof of this building

1873
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:08,559
when i'm doing it but

1874
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:11,520
um i i think it has the potential to be

1875
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,480
done

1876
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:14,720
um there should probably be somebody

1877
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:16,640
should lead that initiative

1878
01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:19,119
um because again there's gonna be your

1879
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:20,839
trials and errors

1880
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:24,319
um and you probably want to do it with a

1881
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,599
smaller group

1882
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:27,520
just because you generally get a better

1883
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:29,920
response with small coherent groups

1884
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,720
i was at an event with like 200 people

1885
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:34,319
for a ce5

1886
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,920
and it you know it everybody's

1887
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:39,440
participation

1888
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:42,319
alters how the the the contact can

1889
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:43,680
unfold so

1890
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:45,520
when you have they have events like

1891
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:47,119
contact in the desert

1892
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:50,000
and they do like a mass ce5 with i i

1893
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,599
don't know how many of people are those

1894
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,280
contact in the desert events a lot of

1895
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:54,960
people but

1896
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:58,400
you know it's never like what happens at

1897
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:59,680
a like a genuine

1898
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:02,079
contact expedition when when you have

1899
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:03,760
like

1900
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:06,559
anywhere from two to twenty people that

1901
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:06,880
are

1902
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:09,200
on the same page you're gonna get much

1903
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,160
better results

1904
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,880
than if you have 50 people 100 people

1905
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:14,079
kind of

1906
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:17,200
half of them taking it seriously half

1907
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:17,520
them

1908
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:20,480
not in the mood or whatever it is um so

1909
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:20,799
i

1910
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,640
you want the best results get the people

1911
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:32,400
that have the most success

1912
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:36,160
get a good group of people together and

1913
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:37,920
do an initiative like that that's that's

1914
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:39,839
what you got to do i think

1915
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,760
that would be my best approach get like

1916
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:43,520
a group of five to

1917
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:47,359
10 or 15 people and go around with

1918
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,760
you know again you couldn't you can't

1919
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:51,520
base the whole thing on just one night

1920
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:52,079
right

1921
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:55,839
so the phenomenon has a stake in what's

1922
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:56,799
going on

1923
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,960
for whatever reason they'll choose to

1924
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,640
respond when they want to basically

1925
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:02,240
they're running the show

1926
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:05,599
um so part of it depends on that

1927
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,440
um so it would have to be an initiative

1928
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,440
undertaken you know not like oh we're

1929
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,680
gonna go out one night with fox news

1930
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,119
and try to get a response you know

1931
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:17,520
you're it could happen yeah

1932
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:22,160
uh if i mean i guess

1933
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:24,160
and there have been people that have

1934
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:26,640
tented live stream ce5s

1935
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,160
and have gotten okay results um

1936
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:32,400
but you know it's not an initiative

1937
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:34,319
dedicated to that and i think that you

1938
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:34,720
would

1939
01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:37,920
probably need one like that james we'll

1940
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:39,359
move on to listener questions

1941
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:40,880
for the listener listening to this

1942
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:42,559
thanks for joining us i'll split this

1943
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:43,680
into two parts

1944
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:45,280
just so you can take a breather yourself

1945
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:46,720
because james has talked about a lot of

1946
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:48,000
very intense and

1947
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:49,760
and deep experiences as well so we'll

1948
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:55,589
okay so james is still with me we're

1949
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,359
going to move on to listener questions

1950
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:59,520
first up listener question is from dave

1951
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:00,640
smithers

1952
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,559
dave sent in a lot of questions and i

1953
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:04,240
had to be careful what i picked he wants

1954
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,920
to know regarding your recent interview

1955
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:07,200
with luella zondo

1956
01:08:11,430 --> 01:08:08,799
what were three of the main things that

1957
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:11,440
you took away from it

1958
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:14,640
oh well one that some way somehow

1959
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:18,080
uh contact experiences were observed in

1960
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:19,040
uh

1961
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,319
atip as actually a part of their study

1962
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:24,400
and you know lou was very careful not to

1963
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,679
get into that so i thought that was

1964
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:27,040
fascinating

1965
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,640
um the remote viewing question was and

1966
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:32,239
that's kind of related but that you know

1967
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,279
he

1968
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:34,799
i was not expecting that i was just

1969
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,400
expecting him to say no

1970
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,319
kind of really i just wanted to ask her

1971
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:40,239
to cover that base so i asked it

1972
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,040
and he his response was very interesting

1973
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:47,679
and um i mean i guess i guess a third

1974
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:49,839
one would be

1975
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,799
you know the way he he he really was

1976
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:54,799
open to the ce5 community and

1977
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,719
you know nobody had asked him about it

1978
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,560
so i i thought he was great at

1979
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,560
communicating that

1980
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:02,319
see i'm just going to follow up on that

1981
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:03,600
if you had

1982
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:06,400
lu for an interview tomorrow and he said

1983
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:08,319
right you've got one follow-up question

1984
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,520
do you know off the top of your head

1985
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:11,679
what your follow-up question would be

1986
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:15,520
oh man i actually had it i had it oh

1987
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,920
i i i didn't ask him if he ever had a

1988
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:19,520
ce5

1989
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:22,239
okay i mean you know what he's going to

1990
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:23,520
say to that but

1991
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,560
but still how he answers it tells you

1992
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:28,000
right what you need to know doesn't it

1993
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,600
just know as well just know we've known

1994
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:31,359
that he's had some kind of experience we

1995
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,719
didn't know if there was an interactive

1996
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:34,319
mental quality

1997
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,920
and you know what it depends when you

1998
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,920
speak to lou given i spoke to lou on the

1999
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:39,839
first of february and i asked him about

2000
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,199
ce5

2001
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,120
lou's answer was if it works it works if

2002
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:45,120
it doesn't it doesn't so at that point

2003
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,000
he was not

2004
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,239
ready to speak about that but yet you

2005
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:49,759
look where we are four months down the

2006
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,640
line

2007
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,799
and how much more and it's like you you

2008
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:54,080
got them at a time where you asked the

2009
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,679
right question in the right way

2010
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:57,600
and expanded on it and i think again

2011
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:58,800
someone like you

2012
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,400
speaking to lou in six months time

2013
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:04,239
that question gets answered potentially

2014
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:05,840
in a lot a different way it would

2015
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:06,560
tomorrow

2016
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,920
so that's i think that's the good thing

2017
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:09,280
with with a guy like lou and someone

2018
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,880
like yourself opening that door

2019
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,320
with those questions that you did ask

2020
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:13,920
that were that were really cool

2021
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:16,480
next up strange farm had a question what

2022
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,040
are some

2023
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:19,360
meditation practices that he could do at

2024
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:22,480
home to better the chances of contact

2025
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:25,760
okay so i um i don't want to direct

2026
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:26,960
anybody down a

2027
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:29,920
particular path i think you kind of just

2028
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:30,239
go

2029
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:34,159
with what feels right to you

2030
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,679
but if i were to suggest meditation

2031
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:39,040
practices

2032
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:42,080
i would say try

2033
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:43,760
try two or three different types of

2034
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:46,159
techniques and try them each for

2035
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:49,199
you you know for a few weeks at a time

2036
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:51,040
so take one technique and try for two or

2037
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:52,400
three weeks because

2038
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:53,760
you're not going to try a new technique

2039
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,679
and and that day or the next day you're

2040
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:57,120
like man i know what they're talking

2041
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,320
about now when they talk about

2042
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,560
enlightenment meditation

2043
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,640
it's just like you know working out at

2044
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:04,640
the gym you have to build that muscle

2045
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:05,440
and

2046
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:07,360
um some meditation techniques work

2047
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:08,800
better with others

2048
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,120
so some people like mantra so where you

2049
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,360
recite a mantra in your mind

2050
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,480
and um you know you do it for five maybe

2051
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:19,040
five minutes and then

2052
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:20,480
when you realize that your mind starts

2053
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:21,920
drifting you do the mantra again for a

2054
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,360
few minutes until you're into like a

2055
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:25,440
center of stillness

2056
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,480
um or you can do a pranayama

2057
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:30,400
technique which again any of these

2058
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:31,840
techniques i'm mentioning

2059
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:34,159
just google you can do a pranayama

2060
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:35,600
technique which there's like

2061
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,960
hundreds of different types and

2062
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,080
you know again you practice the

2063
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,719
pranayama for a few weeks and see how

2064
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,719
that feels for you and then there's

2065
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:46,400
something like vapasana

2066
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:49,600
which is another um mindfulness based

2067
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:50,960
technique

2068
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,159
and see which one

2069
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,840
works the best for you which one you

2070
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:57,679
feel like the most centered and tranquil

2071
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,159
with and and stick with that one

2072
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,920
awesome good question and the next one i

2073
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:03,760
i find a really interesting question

2074
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:04,960
this one is from

2075
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:07,840
james also james is one of the patreons

2076
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:08,400
over at

2077
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,719
patreon.com and he wants to know is

2078
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,080
james aware of

2079
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,719
if those on the autistic spectrum are at

2080
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:16,320
all disadvantaged

2081
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,679
to success with ce5 um mainly concerning

2082
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:21,520
understanding of emotions and also

2083
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:22,000
ability

2084
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,750
hmm wait can you say that one more time

2085
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:28,719
i'm sorry just

2086
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,960
yeah so james wants to know if you're

2087
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:32,640
aware if people who are on the

2088
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,760
autism spectrum are disadvantaged

2089
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,640
to having any success with ce5 coming

2090
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:40,320
from a point of view that they can have

2091
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,960
difficulty

2092
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,040
understanding emotions and also

2093
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:45,199
projecting thoughts so

2094
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:48,000
um i i can't say from personal

2095
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,440
experience yes or no

2096
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,520
however there's also that possibility

2097
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:53,360
that they could be superior at it for

2098
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,560
whatever reason

2099
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:56,400
because you have people that are on that

2100
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:57,600
spectrum

2101
01:13:01,350 --> 01:13:00,400
that are freaking highly skilled at

2102
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:01,360
things where

2103
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:05,120
it's amazing so um again everything's

2104
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:06,480
trial and error so

2105
01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:08,320
i i don't want to categorize people

2106
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:10,159
saying you know these kind of people

2107
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,440
because they're

2108
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:13,679
this way or good or bad at it this

2109
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,280
person's not good at art so they're

2110
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,960
probably not going to be good at ce5

2111
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,640
it has to be an independent thing

2112
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:20,400
because for for all you know they're

2113
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,760
going to be better at it than anybody

2114
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:23,040
else

2115
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,560
yeah i did wonder that reading the

2116
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,239
question is it a case of their

2117
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:28,480
they're tuned into something that most

2118
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,360
people aren't

2119
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:31,120
right they have their success in that

2120
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:32,400
way so yeah

2121
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,840
absolutely i'm with you on that one

2122
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:35,600
james good question though uh thanks for

2123
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,080
that one

2124
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:38,400
the drawing board wants to know um they

2125
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,679
were intrigued when

2126
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,520
you brought up the collins elite with

2127
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:42,800
lou and

2128
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:45,199
lou categor categorically stated that he

2129
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,800
could not talk about that

2130
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:48,000
and they thought it was a really

2131
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:50,159
interesting line of conversation

2132
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:51,520
and they just want to know what you

2133
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,199
thought about lou's answer or where that

2134
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:55,199
could go

2135
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:00,630
you know whether whether you call them

2136
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:02,560
the collins leader or whatever it is

2137
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:04,480
there there is such a group

2138
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:07,679
um dr eric davis in an interview i

2139
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:09,280
believe with alejandra rojas

2140
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:12,560
said yeah they the collins elite or you

2141
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,239
know those kind of fundamental religious

2142
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:16,560
people that believe ufos are demons

2143
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,960
are the ones who shut down ossap they're

2144
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:21,280
the ones who got asap cancelled

2145
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:24,400
um and i i think i in one of the

2146
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:25,920
unidentified

2147
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:27,679
uh episodes i'm not sure if it was

2148
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,280
season one or season two they kind of

2149
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:31,440
alluded to a group like that

2150
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:34,640
so um there is a legitimate group like

2151
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:35,440
that there

2152
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:38,239
that is an obstacle to this subject and

2153
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:38,560
they

2154
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,280
to minimize any kind of progress um

2155
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:47,520
there's you know again when when you get

2156
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,560
into anything like

2157
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:50,719
the collins leader or majestic 12 or

2158
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:52,480
anything there's going to be a whole lot

2159
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:53,199
of smoke

2160
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:54,800
but there's there is something there

2161
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:56,239
there's a spark of of

2162
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,679
of reality there um so there was work

2163
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:01,360
done by like nick redfern talking about

2164
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:02,560
the college elite

2165
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,000
and i believe a gentleman named ray

2166
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:06,159
boucher and i remember he did a really

2167
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:08,080
good episode i think on linda multan

2168
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,040
howes

2169
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:11,600
the phenomenon when it was still on kgra

2170
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:13,120
radio

2171
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:16,000
so there's some stuff out there um again

2172
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,440
it's that's kind of like

2173
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:19,360
to inform yourself of just to be aware

2174
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,520
of you can go down a whole rabbit hole

2175
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:23,040
with that

2176
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:27,120
my friend uh scott brown actually

2177
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,960
uh advised if people are interested in

2178
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,800
the cons elite

2179
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,800
they can't say if it's exactly related

2180
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:34,320
to it but there's it's there's a

2181
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,679
correlation there

2182
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:38,159
of a movie on netflix called the family

2183
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:39,679
and it's talking about this

2184
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:42,480
very powerful family of christian

2185
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:44,080
fundamentalists

2186
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:46,880
that uh they have a lot of power and and

2187
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:47,360
and they

2188
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:50,239
do things in politics so that's uh

2189
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:52,560
that's some thought on that

2190
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:55,440
nice answer and a wave soul essent and a

2191
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,560
few questions

2192
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,400
they want to know do you think

2193
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:00,239
practicing ce5

2194
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:02,000
leads to an increase in sightings or

2195
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:04,960
contact over time

2196
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:07,679
for the for the entire planet like

2197
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:09,199
collectively

2198
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,800
i suppose for you if you're the way i'm

2199
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:12,000
reading the question is if you're

2200
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,000
practicing ce5

2201
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:16,640
do the sightings get more frequent more

2202
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,360
intense

2203
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,679
over time or is there still that hap has

2204
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:21,600
of nature to how they appear

2205
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:23,679
yeah i mean there there becomes a point

2206
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,239
where it's like second nature

2207
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,400
um so when you're when you're well

2208
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:30,320
practiced and again you can always

2209
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:31,920
and they talk about this in the yoga

2210
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:33,920
sutras that you can always go backwards

2211
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:35,520
you know

2212
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,960
so there's always the potential to go

2213
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,480
backwards but when you're really well

2214
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,920
practiced like you know

2215
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:41,360
you never really forget how to ride a

2216
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,840
bike i mean if you haven't rent a bike

2217
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,360
in a few years you take a few minutes

2218
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:47,120
and you kind of get back into it

2219
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:50,480
um but uh yeah for sure i mean

2220
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:53,280
the the more you do it the the more

2221
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:53,840
likely

2222
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,480
you are to have sightings um because

2223
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:58,159
once once you get the feeling of it

2224
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:59,760
right because there's a distinct feeling

2225
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,159
to

2226
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,280
genuine contact and once you're

2227
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:05,120
really used to that feeling you can kind

2228
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:07,760
of go to that right away

2229
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:09,679
and um you know you don't even

2230
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:11,840
necessarily have to be doing a ce5

2231
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:15,199
to get into that and and have something

2232
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:16,159
happen

2233
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,760
and um just in case the the

2234
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:22,159
guy was asking that on a mic on a macro

2235
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:23,840
scale

2236
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:26,400
i do think um there's a potential for

2237
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:28,480
more people doing more ce5

2238
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:30,960
equaling more sightings for the planet

2239
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:31,679
if you know

2240
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:36,159
so both i'll say both yes to both

2241
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:38,159
cool next up we've got the quick fire

2242
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:39,760
round so i'm going to mention a few

2243
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:41,520
topics or names that we've not managed

2244
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:42,960
to talk about in the body of the

2245
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:45,199
interview and you can give your thoughts

2246
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,880
as short or as long as you want on each

2247
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,040
one okay and the first one is quite

2248
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:51,600
timely it's the upcoming uap task force

2249
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:57,830
yeah so i think that we're probably

2250
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,560
again we already know that whatever the

2251
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:02,560
report's gonna say is gonna be saying

2252
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:05,600
it's not ours so everything that's

2253
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:07,760
uh being talked about with with these

2254
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:09,760
unidentified aerial phenomena

2255
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:13,920
is not our technology um i see this

2256
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:16,880
as a stepping stone so i think that

2257
01:18:19,990 --> 01:18:17,760
there's going to be

2258
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:20,000
hopefully a lot of media hype around it

2259
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:22,159
probably a buzz for a few weeks

2260
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,920
overall it's good even though you know i

2261
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:25,280
know people want to hear about roswell

2262
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,159
and stuff we're not going to get

2263
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:28,000
anything like that

2264
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,360
i don't even know if we're going to get

2265
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:31,520
any of the nuclear cases and if we don't

2266
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:33,280
why

2267
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:37,120
i think christopher mellon's questions

2268
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:39,280
may be indicative of what we see and

2269
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:40,960
don't see in the report

2270
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:43,040
um i i think he's kind of in the know

2271
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,719
and he asks those questions as like the

2272
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:46,880
next step

2273
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,840
but again it's a step forward it's

2274
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:51,280
progress

2275
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:54,480
i think that it will and again you know

2276
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:56,480
you see all these congress people right

2277
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,080
like they're making some i mean some of

2278
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:59,920
them are saying some pretty crazy things

2279
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:01,520
so

2280
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:03,840
you could just see that now people are

2281
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:06,080
more open to talking about it so that's

2282
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,080
progress and i think it's a good thing

2283
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:10,320
and again necessary stepping stone

2284
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:11,520
moving forward

2285
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,159
not the end and i'd just like to mention

2286
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:16,080
on that with the congress people

2287
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,840
talking about this the way they are and

2288
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:19,440
using terminology that we're not used to

2289
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:19,760
them

2290
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:22,239
saying and just standing outside these

2291
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:24,000
massive buildings saying yeah alien

2292
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:25,280
technology or

2293
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:27,920
not human or from somewhere else or

2294
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:30,400
outside our galaxy however they mean it

2295
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:32,480
they're saying it and i appreciate

2296
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,600
people get in touch with me and they'll

2297
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:35,280
tell me all but this guy's got this

2298
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:36,640
politics or this

2299
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:39,280
this one said this about this being from

2300
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,679
the uk i suppose i don't have that

2301
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,120
i don't have that knowledge or direct

2302
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:46,080
knowledge or bias that i'm left or right

2303
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:47,600
for whatever these i don't know their

2304
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:49,360
background or what they do or don't vote

2305
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:51,600
for i just know they're talking about a

2306
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:53,120
subject i'm passionate about so i

2307
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:54,320
appreciate that

2308
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:56,400
what they're like as human beings i

2309
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,840
don't know and

2310
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:59,520
it's it's kind of hard to tell but that

2311
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,960
they're talking about the subject which

2312
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:02,480
does have a positive impact so

2313
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:04,239
yeah and unless and that's a good thing

2314
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:06,480
i'm an american and i don't give a

2315
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:07,840
with their politics aren't people aren't

2316
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:08,639
going to like that

2317
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:11,760
i don't care you know if they're

2318
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:13,520
i'm i'm looking at yeah this is

2319
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,280
bipartisan right

2320
01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:17,120
um if they're going to be part of the

2321
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:18,320
solution

2322
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:19,760
good i mean doesn't mean i'm going to

2323
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:21,440
vote them into office but

2324
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:24,719
them talking about this openly is number

2325
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,320
one it's progress

2326
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:28,800
and hopefully we'll encourage others to

2327
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:30,000
and number two

2328
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:32,719
it's an indicator of where we are right

2329
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:34,239
so i'm not saying like oh we they said

2330
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:36,080
that let's just vote for them no

2331
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:38,320
it has nothing to do with that you know

2332
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:40,159
it's it's showing you where we are in

2333
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:40,800
the time

2334
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:42,800
and people are willing to step up and

2335
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:45,040
talk about it that's what we need

2336
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:48,719
absolutely next one is bob lazar

2337
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:52,719
bob lazar uh super interesting um

2338
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:56,480
now uh the guy was exposed to classified

2339
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:57,600
information

2340
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:00,239
okay i don't know how he was but you

2341
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,840
know you just saw i think

2342
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,280
i i don't know if it was the drive or

2343
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:04,560
somebody just did an article on those

2344
01:21:08,390 --> 01:21:05,679
hand scanners

2345
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:08,400
right um there's there's so many

2346
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:10,239
interesting things in his story that

2347
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:14,639
i have to believe that he was either

2348
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:17,760
exposed to classified information

2349
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:21,840
or part of some kind of strategic

2350
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:25,120
release of information because

2351
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,040
there's there's no way that that he

2352
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:28,960
could have known about

2353
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:32,159
you know secret classified test testing

2354
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:32,480
of

2355
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:38,080
were in that recorded video

2356
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:39,920
uh there's no way he could have known

2357
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:42,480
about classified test sites you know a

2358
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,600
classified test

2359
01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:45,760
flight of whatever the those objects

2360
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:46,719
were

2361
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:50,320
um you know he knew about area 51 which

2362
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:50,800
was not

2363
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:53,840
really well known back then uh

2364
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:56,639
so he he had access to different pieces

2365
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:58,719
of pieces of information

2366
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:01,440
that were classified so he he's either

2367
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:03,280
legit in what he's saying

2368
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:07,040
or or he he knew somebody

2369
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:08,880
that was in some kind of classified

2370
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:10,639
program over there that was feeding him

2371
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,159
information

2372
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:14,400
but the the thing the issue i have with

2373
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,600
that is

2374
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:17,280
i don't think he would have staked his

2375
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:18,880
entire reputation and

2376
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:21,760
future if some guy was telling him some

2377
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:22,960
kind of weird stuff

2378
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:25,520
and you know what i mean like he he

2379
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:26,639
jeopardized

2380
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:29,520
a lot of his his his future you know

2381
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:30,239
whether

2382
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,440
you know um

2383
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,199
he the stuff you know he went out and

2384
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:36,960
and said the things he said

2385
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:39,360
and he really jammed himself up right

2386
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,320
there's there's no

2387
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:42,159
going and doing everything he did and

2388
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,760
saying okay i'm just going to get

2389
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,600
another job at a classified

2390
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:47,440
facility which you know he was at los

2391
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,600
alamos right we know that

2392
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:51,280
george knapp had found him the in the

2393
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:52,480
phone book you know whether as a

2394
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,920
contractor or not

2395
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,840
um so there's no way he's like this is a

2396
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,199
great idea to fur

2397
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:59,199
you know to further my career in life

2398
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:00,719
yeah so

2399
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,800
i i can't say that he did everything

2400
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:04,320
that he said he did

2401
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:07,679
i i find it extremely fascinating

2402
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,360
and i i i think that there is a

2403
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:13,120
potential that he's telling the truth on

2404
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,600
everything

2405
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:15,360
i mean at least from his point of view i

2406
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,800
think that's

2407
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,880
i have that well on the table i'm not

2408
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,480
i'm not willing to discount that he's

2409
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:22,480
just making it up

2410
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:26,159
do you prefer the term ufo or uap

2411
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,800
um i don't i don't really care one way

2412
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,000
or the other

2413
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:32,960
i'm i'm fine using whatever terminology

2414
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:35,360
is appropriate for the conversation

2415
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:39,040
um i like ufo it's cool but i understand

2416
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:39,440
how

2417
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:43,520
um uap is more accurate

2418
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:46,159
uap is not a new term it's been used

2419
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,480
more recently um

2420
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,719
but it there i like i like both of them

2421
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:52,880
i think unidentified aerial phenomena

2422
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,440
is a really cool way of accurately

2423
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,880
describing some of the things that we

2424
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:58,400
see

2425
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,840
and finally what does disclosure mean to

2426
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:02,880
you

2427
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:06,880
man um for me personally

2428
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:10,800
on a personal level um

2429
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,430
no i have i i guess i have a few things

2430
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:19,440
like i i if we're not

2431
01:24:23,669 --> 01:24:21,679
if we're not hearing about like roswell

2432
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,679
and and legit crash retrievals which did

2433
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:24,960
happen

2434
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,400
that's not exactly disclosure you know i

2435
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,480
mean disclosure i guess

2436
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:33,120
would mean the release of the truth

2437
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:33,760
right

2438
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:36,320
um i i think we're going to get in

2439
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:38,800
incremental partial disclosures

2440
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:42,880
um and and i mean i can't argue against

2441
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,520
that right

2442
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,679
we're it's great to see this stuff

2443
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:47,040
finally come out

2444
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:49,520
uh but i would i would say that like a

2445
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:52,239
genuine disclosure would be a release of

2446
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:54,159
most of the information like saying yeah

2447
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:55,679
we have

2448
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,360
technology

2449
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:01,600
we have alien beings or you know

2450
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,400
whatever

2451
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:04,560
however you want to say it we have them

2452
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:05,760
in our possession

2453
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:08,960
and we've had them for decades um

2454
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:11,440
something to that effect and even like a

2455
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,000
a

2456
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:15,199
post-disclosure for me would be

2457
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:17,199
where like obviously the entire world

2458
01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:19,280
acknowledges it can't be something like

2459
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,639
you know whistleblower comes out and

2460
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:22,560
says it and it's questionable has to be

2461
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:23,199
like

2462
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:26,159
you know the us president is or or you

2463
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:27,840
know someone to that effect

2464
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,719
um is saying you know or another

2465
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:32,800
president of another country i guess

2466
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,159
um says like okay you know ufos are real

2467
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,159
they represent a non-human intelligence

2468
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,400
that has been engaging us

2469
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:43,040
and um to go further than that i guess

2470
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:44,239
some kind of actual

2471
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,560
open interaction with this these beings

2472
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:50,880
awesome james how can people get in

2473
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:53,760
touch with you and follow your

2474
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:56,320
uh i'm engaging the phenomenon on

2475
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:57,280
twitter

2476
01:26:01,669 --> 01:26:00,239
engaging the phenomenon on youtube i

2477
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:01,679
encourage people to reach out to me

2478
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:06,950
i'm also on instagram but twitter really

2479
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:08,480
if you want to get in touch with me

2480
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,520
uh get me on twitter

2481
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:13,360
awesome and i'm going to steal james

2482
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:14,719
just for two more minutes over on

2483
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:16,239
patreon and i'm just going to be asking

2484
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,560
him

2485
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:18,800
what is his favorite ufo case or piece

2486
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,760
of evidence for

2487
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,360
join us on patreon or apple

2488
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:23,040
subscriptions for that one folks

2489
01:26:29,070 --> 01:26:26,639
thanks for joining us james sure thing

2490
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:29,080
yeah hi to everyone on

2491
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:30,239
applesubscriptions

2492
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:34,080
and patreon.com i've still got james

2493
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,159
ian doley with me i had to think about

2494
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:37,920
that one i think i got it right

2495
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:40,239
and uh i'm going to be asking james just

2496
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,920
for all of you who subscribe to the

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podcast and give a little something back

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01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:45,600
james what is your favorite either piece

2499
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:48,719
of evidence or ufo case

2500
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:50,560
yeah one of my one of my favorite cases

2501
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:53,040
actually is the hudson valley ufo case

2502
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:55,920
it's the hudson valley ufo wave and part

2503
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,440
of that is because i live in westchester

2504
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:59,120
new york i live in the actual hudson

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valley

2506
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:03,440
a lot of people in my area some of them

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are older

2508
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,360
now but i had seen the uh

2509
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:09,600
a lot of sightings back then in the 80s

2510
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,520
uh for that wave

2511
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:13,840
and actually dr jalan heineck one of the

2512
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:15,920
last books that he worked on

2513
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,560
uh he co-authored it it's called night

2514
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:21,280
siege the hudson valley ufo wave

2515
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:24,159
so i always found that as a fascinating

2516
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:25,360
um

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01:27:29,189 --> 01:27:26,800
case i guess you can say because it's an

2518
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entire wave it's banded for

2519
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:31,840
several years you're talking about um

2520
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:32,639
there is

2521
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:35,040
i have indian point over here like just

2522
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a few miles away

2523
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:38,639
and that's a nuclear facility so you

2524
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:40,480
have the interaction with ufos and nukes

2525
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:42,239
there was actually a helicopter chase

2526
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,360
with the ufo

2527
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:45,120
that's not so well known during that

2528
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:47,440
flap that happened

2529
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:49,840
so this is very rich in that component

2530
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:51,679
you got the contact you got the ufos and

2531
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:52,400
nukes

2532
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:54,080
thing even though they're not icbms it's

2533
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just a nuclear facility

2534
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:58,960
you know power generation so

2535
01:28:02,229 --> 01:28:01,280
i i find that as a fascinating case all

2536
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but you know

2537
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:05,040
just uh to list off a few other cases i

2538
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:05,440
do

2539
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:09,199
really like the the the phoenix lights

2540
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:11,280
just because you know you had this

2541
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:13,040
massive sighting

2542
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:15,120
and you know if that was some kind of us

2543
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,470
right and then you have fife simonton

2544
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:24,400
who was um

2545
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:27,440
what the mayor at the time and uh you

2546
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:28,400
know

2547
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:30,719
he kind of laughed it off at first to

2548
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,239
try to lighten the mood and then he

2549
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:34,159
comes out with james fox

2550
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,000
just a few years later saying you know

2551
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,239
first of all he was a air force pilot

2552
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:40,400
so he's a trained observer and he said

2553
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:43,040
he personally saw the the phoenix lights

2554
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:44,960
he saw the craft it was blocking out

2555
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:46,719
stars it was tremendous completely

2556
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,560
silent and he was amazed

2557
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:50,400
so um that's another great case and

2558
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:52,000
actually if you go read the book that

2559
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:52,880
was written by

2560
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:56,639
um dr lin ketai there's a lot of stuff

2561
01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:57,679
going on that

2562
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:00,880
people aren't aware with um that during

2563
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:01,760
that time

2564
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:04,239
people were having contact experiences

2565
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:05,679
ce5s

2566
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,080
um and uh contact experiences

2567
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,719
so there was a whole lot going on that

2568
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,400
that's not talked about as well so i

2569
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:16,320
really like those cases and of course

2570
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:20,320
just as like a a you a ufo guy i love

2571
01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:21,120
roswell

2572
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:24,159
just a absolutely fascinating case

2573
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:26,800
um so many interesting witness

2574
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:27,679
testimonies

2575
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:29,040
from different angles you know you had

2576
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:31,600
the coroner you had uh

2577
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:34,480
uh that that woman um i forgot her name

2578
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:35,440
something june

2579
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,639
where she was shown materials the

2580
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:41,120
the memory material uh that that

2581
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:43,040
gentleman researcher james clarkson

2582
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:44,159
found her

2583
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:46,639
um and there's so many different you

2584
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:49,040
know colonel corso

2585
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:51,440
which something you know i always found

2586
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:52,080
the colonel

2587
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:55,280
corso story very interesting but having

2588
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:56,159
somebody like dr

2589
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,199
eric davis go on the record and say

2590
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:01,679
he investigated colonel corso's claims

2591
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:03,520
and they panned out

2592
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,719
meaning he there there was truth to it

2593
01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:08,719
so for somebody like dr davis who's

2594
01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:10,159
probably a lot deeper in this than many

2595
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:11,440
people realize

2596
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:13,520
uh saying that some of those claims were

2597
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:16,480
legit is uh very convincing to me

2598
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:17,920
james you've been very joining us with

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01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:19,520
your time thanks very much for joining

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us

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01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:22,400
it's been great in our man you take care

2602
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:23,920
cheers that is

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01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:25,920
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01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:27,120
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01:32:00,629 --> 01:31:58,870
was weird and everything was red i

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01:32:14,010 --> 01:32:00,639
helped out my boys they thought this was

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